Feature request

[Shlomo Brill]

Dear Lyx Developer Team,
I have already written part of my PhD thesis in Lyx and am thoroughly
impressed by the aesthetically stunning documents that Lyx produces!!!
Considering that Lyx is capable of such fantastic feats, would it be
possible to have a "send email" function/button/menu to send similarly
beautifully typesetted emails?
Many thanks,
Shlomo Brill

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Post by Shlomo Brill
Dear Lyx Developer Team,
I have already written part of my PhD thesis in Lyx and am thoroughly
impressed by the aesthetically stunning documents that Lyx produces!!!
Considering that Lyx is capable of such fantastic feats, would it be
possible to have a "send email" function/button/menu to send similarly
beautifully typesetted emails?

Hello,

Unfortunately, this does not seem possible. LyX produces pdf files for
printing, and e-mails cannot really be pdf files. We try to make a tool
that does one thing, and does it right. It is up to the mail reader to
render e-mail text in a beautiful way.

JMarc

[Kornel Benko]

Post by Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

Post by Shlomo Brill
Dear Lyx Developer Team,
I have already written part of my PhD thesis in Lyx and am thoroughly
impressed by the aesthetically stunning documents that Lyx produces!!!
Considering that Lyx is capable of such fantastic feats, would it be
possible to have a "send email" function/button/menu to send similarly
beautifully typesetted emails?

Hello,
Unfortunately, this does not seem possible. LyX produces pdf files for
printing, and e-mails cannot really be pdf files. We try to make a tool
that does one thing, and does it right. It is up to the mail reader to
render e-mail text in a beautiful way.

Hmm, we produce also .html, don't we? And this could be sent per e-mail.
I am not saying, that it will be easy to implement. But it may be possible.

Post by Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
JMarc

Kornel

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Post by Kornel Benko
Hmm, we produce also .html, don't we? And this could be sent per e-mail.
I am not saying, that it will be easy to implement. But it may be possible.

What is so beautiful about the typography of the .html files we export,
though?

JMarc

[Kornel Benko]

Post by Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

Post by Kornel Benko
Hmm, we produce also .html, don't we? And this could be sent per e-mail.
I am not saying, that it will be easy to implement. But it may be possible.

What is so beautiful about the typography of the .html files we export,
though?

C'mon, its not so bad. For a mail it should be OK.

Post by Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
JMarc

Kornel

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Post by Kornel Benko

Post by Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
What is so beautiful about the typography of the .html files we export,
though?

C'mon, its not so bad. For a mail it should be OK.

Do you see an added value wrt whatever html one can produce with
thunderbird or whatever mail client?

Disclaimer: I do only text messages, so I am not really competent :)

JMarc

[Kornel Benko]

Post by Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

Post by Kornel Benko

Post by Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
What is so beautiful about the typography of the .html files we export,
though?

C'mon, its not so bad. For a mail it should be OK.

Do you see an added value wrt whatever html one can produce with
thunderbird or whatever mail client?

Not really. Still it looks for me as a valid feature request. Even if I was
not planing to use it.

Post by Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Disclaimer: I do only text messages, so I am not really competent :)

So do I.

Post by Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
JMarc

Kornel

[Tommaso Cucinotta]

Post by Kornel Benko
Not really. Still it looks for me as a valid feature request. Even if I was
not planing to use it.

Probably the user is free to create a "Send by e-mail..." menu entry
that simply spawns the preferred e-mail client on the machine, adding
the LyX file currently being edited as attachment, for e-mail clients
that would support that from the command-line.

Would something like this be possible ?

T.

[Patrick O'Keeffe]

Perhaps even simpler is to add new converter definitions so the user can
use the standard File>Export> route.

Three new ones:
- Email (plain text)
- Email (HTML)
- Email (PDF attachment) <-- using whatever engine is default

As far as passing it to mail clients... It's a real cringeworthy idea
but don't mailto: links support `?subject=` and `?body=` arguments? At
least for plain-text and HTML, one could use the system default for
mailto: links and pass one giant, *ugly string. Not that I would condone it.

I don't personally see any advantage to composing emails in Lyx. OP
suggested it because of the beautiful formatting provided by LaTeX but
HTML isn't capable of such beauty. If you need the aesthetics, you're
stuck emailing it as an attachment anyway.

Patrick

Post by Tommaso Cucinotta

Not really. Still it looks for me as a valid feature request. Even if I was
not planing to use it.

Probably the user is free to create a "Send by e-mail..." menu entry
that simply spawns the preferred e-mail client on the machine, adding
the LyX file currently being edited as attachment, for e-mail clients
that would support that from the command-line.
Would something like this be possible ?
T.

[Tommaso Cucinotta]

I don't personally see any advantage to composing emails in Lyx. OP suggested it because of the beautiful formatting provided by LaTeX but HTML isn't capable of such beauty. If you need the aesthetics, you're stuck emailing it as an attachment anyway.

Forget about beauty, this is about functionality and convenience: copying from LyX (trunk), I can send you this (I hope you can display it correctly, at least it shows up OK while I'm composing it):

* For each hosts pair ( j 1 ,j 2 )∈ H × H , a set P j 1 ,j 2 of interconnection paths may be available and usable, where each path p∈ P j 1 ,j 2 is associated with the sequence P j 1 ,j 2 ,p of its L j 1 ,j 2 ,p links P j 1 ,j 2 ,p ={ ( a j 1 ,j 2 ,p,1 ,b j 1 ,j 2 ,p,1 ),
 ,( a j 1 ,j 2 ,p,L j 1 ,j 2 ,p ,b j 1 ,j 2 ,p,L j 1 ,j 2 ,p ) }⊂ L .

LyX Document
Leaving the meaning aside, my question is: how can I write this in Thunderbird? The only way is to attach the .lyx document, or an export of it, and it takes just more time to do that, rather than copy/paste.

If I could install a LyX plug-in in Thunderbird allowing me to natively write e-mails in LyX, I would probably use that!

My2c,

T.

[stefano franchi]

Post by Patrick O'Keeffe
I don't personally see any advantage to composing emails in Lyx. OP
suggested it because of the beautiful formatting provided by LaTeX but HTML
isn't capable of such beauty. If you need the aesthetics, you're stuck
emailing it as an attachment anyway.
Forget about beauty, this is about functionality and convenience: copying
from LyX (trunk), I can send you this (I hope you can display it correctly,
- For each hosts pair ( j 1 , j 2 ) ∈ H × H , a set
P j 1 , j 2 of interconnection paths may be available
and usable, where each path p ∈ P j 1 , j 2 is
associated with the sequence P j 1 , j 2 ,p of its
L j 1 , j 2 ,p links P j 1 , j 2 ,p ={ (
a j 1 , j 2 ,p,1 , b j 1 , j 2 ,p,1 ), 
 ,( a
j 1 , j 2 ,p, L j 1 , j 2 ,p , b j 1 , j 2
,p, L j 1 , j 2 ,p ) } ⊂ L .
Leaving the meaning aside, my question is: how can I write this in
Thunderbird? The only way is to attach the .lyx document, or an export of
it, and it takes just more time to do that, rather than copy/paste.

Tommaso,

I don't know what you see in Thunderbird, but I can assure you that in
gmail your formula is barely legible. Wouldn't it be easier to "typeset" it
in ascii?


Cheers,

Stefano
--
__________________________________________________
Stefano Franchi
Associate Research Professor
Department of Hispanic Studies Ph: [phone]
Texas A&M University Fax: [phone]
College Station, Texas, USA

***@tamu.edu
http://stefano.cleinias.org

[aparsloe]

Post by Tommaso Cucinotta

Post by Patrick O'Keeffe
I don't personally see any advantage to composing emails in Lyx.
OP suggested it because of the beautiful formatting provided by
LaTeX but HTML isn't capable of such beauty. If you need the
aesthetics, you're stuck emailing it as an attachment anyway.

copying from LyX (trunk), I can send you this (I hope you can
* For each hosts pair ( j 1 , j 2 ) ∈ H × H , a set P j 1 , j 2
of interconnection paths may be available and usable, where
each path p ∈ P j 1 , j 2 is associated with the sequence P j
1 , j 2 ,p of its L j 1 , j 2 ,p links P j 1 , j 2 ,p ={ ( a j
1 , j 2 ,p,1 , b j 1 , j 2 ,p,1 ), 
 ,( a j 1 , j 2 ,p, L j 1
, j 2 ,p , b j 1 , j 2 ,p, L j 1 , j 2 ,p ) } ⊂ L .
Leaving the meaning aside, my question is: how can I write this in
Thunderbird? The only way is to attach the .lyx document, or an
export of it, and it takes just more time to do that, rather than
copy/paste.
Tommaso,
I don't know what you see in Thunderbird, but I can assure you that in
gmail your formula is barely legible. Wouldn't it be easier to
"typeset" it in ascii?
Cheers,
Stefano

I'm using Thunderbird (on Windows) and the formulas display nicely.

Andrew

[Patrick O'Keeffe]

Post by aparsloe

Post by Tommaso Cucinotta
Leaving the meaning aside, my question is: how can I write this in
Thunderbird? The only way is to attach the .lyx document, or an
export of it, and it takes just more time to do that, rather than
copy/paste.
Tommaso,
I don't know what you see in Thunderbird, but I can assure you that in
gmail your formula is barely legible. Wouldn't it be easier to
"typeset" it in ascii?
Cheers,
Stefano

I'm using Thunderbird (on Windows) and the formulas display nicely.
Andrew

Seamonkey 2.25 on Windows displays the element and multiply characters
but no subscripting occurs (I assume 'j1/j2' should be subscript).

Thankfully, an integrated LaTex-to-MathML input box will arrive for
Thunderbird in v31 and Seamonkey in v2.28 [1]. Grab a nightly build if
you want to test-drive.

Tommaso, you may be interested right now in the TB addons 'MathML-fonts'
or 'Equations'. The description for Equations is: "An extension that
allows you to type in complex equations into your e-mail and have the
text converted into LaTeX-rendered graphics. Enclose all equations in $$
and then click the convert button! (E.g. $$Area = \pi * r^2$$)" You
might also search for 'MathBird' or 'TexZilla'.

[1]
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/MathML/Authoring#MathML_in_email_and_instant_messaging_clients

P.S. There are anecdotal reports web clients like Gmail and Zimbra
filter MathML, thus rendering formulas incorrectly.

Patrick

[Richard Heck]

Post by Tommaso Cucinotta

Post by Patrick O'Keeffe
I don't personally see any advantage to composing emails in Lyx.
OP suggested it because of the beautiful formatting provided by
LaTeX but HTML isn't capable of such beauty. If you need the
aesthetics, you're stuck emailing it as an attachment anyway.

copying from LyX (trunk), I can send you this (I hope you can
* For each hosts pair ( j 1 , j 2 ) ? H × H , a set P j 1 , j 2
of interconnection paths may be available and usable, where
each path p ? P j 1 , j 2 is associated with the sequence P j
1 , j 2 ,p of its L j 1 , j 2 ,p links P j 1 , j 2 ,p ={ ( a j
1 , j 2 ,p,1 , b j 1 , j 2 ,p,1 ), ... ,( a j 1 , j 2 ,p, L j
1 , j 2 ,p , b j 1 , j 2 ,p, L j 1 , j 2 ,p ) } ? L .
Leaving the meaning aside, my question is: how can I write this in
Thunderbird? The only way is to attach the .lyx document, or an
export of it, and it takes just more time to do that, rather than
copy/paste.
Tommaso,
I don't know what you see in Thunderbird, but I can assure you that in
gmail your formula is barely legible. Wouldn't it be easier to
"typeset" it in ascii?

FWIW, it is perfect here in Thunderbird.

Richard

[stefano franchi]

Post by stefano franchi

Post by Patrick O'Keeffe
I don't personally see any advantage to composing emails in Lyx. OP
suggested it because of the beautiful formatting provided by LaTeX but HTML
isn't capable of such beauty. If you need the aesthetics, you're stuck
emailing it as an attachment anyway.
copying from LyX (trunk), I can send you this (I hope you can display it
- For each hosts pair ( j 1 , j 2 ) ∈ H × H , a set P j 1 , j 2 of
interconnection paths may be available and usable, where each path p ∈ P j
1 , j 2 is associated with the sequence P j 1 , j 2 ,p of its L j 1 , j 2
,p links P j 1 , j 2 ,p ={ ( a j 1 , j 2 ,p,1 , b j 1 , j 2 ,p,1 ), 
 ,( a
j 1 , j 2 ,p, L j 1 , j 2 ,p , b j 1 , j 2 ,p, L j 1 , j 2 ,p ) } ⊂ L .
Leaving the meaning aside, my question is: how can I write this in
Thunderbird? The only way is to attach the .lyx document, or an export of
it, and it takes just more time to do that, rather than copy/paste.

Tommaso,
I don't know what you see in Thunderbird, but I can assure you that in
gmail your formula is barely legible. Wouldn't it be easier to "typeset" it
in ascii?
FWIW, it is perfect here in Thunderbird.

Too bad for gmail then. I wonder if other webmail clients behave as
horribly.


S.
--
__________________________________________________
Stefano Franchi
Associate Research Professor
Department of Hispanic Studies Ph: [phone]
Texas A&M University Fax: [phone]
College Station, Texas, USA

***@tamu.edu
http://stefano.cleinias.org

[Stephan Witt]

Post by Richard Heck

I don't personally see any advantage to composing emails in Lyx. OP suggested it because of the beautiful formatting provided by LaTeX but HTML isn't capable of such beauty. If you need the aesthetics, you're stuck emailing it as an attachment anyway.

• For each hosts pair ( j 1 , j 2 ) ∈ H × H , a set P j 1 , j 2 of interconnection paths may be available and usable, where each path p ∈ P j 1 , j 2 is associated with the sequence P j 1 , j 2 ,p of its L j 1 , j 2 ,p links P j 1 , j 2 ,p ={ ( a j 1 , j 2 ,p,1 , b j 1 , j 2 ,p,1 ), … ,( a j 1 , j 2 ,p, L j 1 , j 2 ,p , b j 1 , j 2 ,p, L j 1 , j 2 ,p ) } ⊂ L .
Leaving the meaning aside, my question is: how can I write this in Thunderbird? The only way is to attach the .lyx document, or an export of it, and it takes just more time to do that, rather than copy/paste.
Tommaso,
I don't know what you see in Thunderbird, but I can assure you that in gmail your formula is barely legible. Wouldn't it be easier to "typeset" it in ascii?

FWIW, it is perfect here in Thunderbird.

The same with Apple-Mail.

Stephan

[Abdelrazak Younes]

Post by Richard Heck

Post by Tommaso Cucinotta

Post by Patrick O'Keeffe
I don't personally see any advantage to composing emails in Lyx.
OP suggested it because of the beautiful formatting provided by
LaTeX but HTML isn't capable of such beauty. If you need the
aesthetics, you're stuck emailing it as an attachment anyway.

copying from LyX (trunk), I can send you this (I hope you can
* For each hosts pair ( j 1 , j 2 ) ? H × H , a set P j 1 , j 2
of interconnection paths may be available and usable, where
each path p ? P j 1 , j 2 is associated with the sequence P j
1 , j 2 ,p of its L j 1 , j 2 ,p links P j 1 , j 2 ,p ={ ( a
j 1 , j 2 ,p,1 , b j 1 , j 2 ,p,1 ), ... ,( a j 1 , j 2 ,p, L
j 1 , j 2 ,p , b j 1 , j 2 ,p, L j 1 , j 2 ,p ) } ? L .
Leaving the meaning aside, my question is: how can I write this
in Thunderbird? The only way is to attach the .lyx document, or
an export of it, and it takes just more time to do that, rather
than copy/paste.
Tommaso,
I don't know what you see in Thunderbird, but I can assure you that
in gmail your formula is barely legible. Wouldn't it be easier to
"typeset" it in ascii?

FWIW, it is perfect here in Thunderbird.

Indeed, perfect on both Windows and Linux. This is a killer feature for
scientist collaboration :-)

Abdel.

[Tommaso Cucinotta]

Post by Richard Heck
FWIW, it is perfect here in Thunderbird.

Indeed, perfect on both Windows and Linux. This is a killer feature for scientist collaboration :-)

So, this capability of copying and pasting into HTML e-mails should be advertised loudly IMHO, in case it's not been done yet.

T.

[Abdelrazak Younes]

Post by Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

Post by Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

Post by Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
What is so beautiful about the typography of the .html files we

export,

Post by Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
though?

C'mon, its not so bad. For a mail it should be OK.

Do you see an added value wrt whatever html one can produce with
thunderbird or whatever mail client?
Disclaimer: I do only text messages, so I am not really competent :)

I used to be the same but now I use more and more formatting under
Thunderbird instead of just writing documents. This is because people I
work with just don't read attachments, they don't have time.
I don't care about html or enriched text but I do care about
interoperability with other mail programs so html is the only choice here.

So my feature request would be able:
1) write in LyX
2) select and copy
3) paste as html in Thunderbird.

Maybe this is already possible.

Abdel.

[Tommaso Cucinotta]

Post by Abdelrazak Younes
1) write in LyX
2) select and copy
3) paste as html in Thunderbird.
Maybe this is already possible.

It is indeed, but with a few hiccups:

1) boldface and emphasized font variations do not get copied at all (text gets copied as normal plain text only)
2) bullet points and numbered lists *seem* to be copied correctly, but soon you realize that the bullet point is actually a bullet char, and the numbers in the numbered list are actually numbers in the text, namely, thunderbird doesn't understand it's actually editing lists in those cases
3) I get an extra carriage-return between any paragraphs, causing an extra empty line being inserted between any two LyX paragraphs -- is that only me ?

And the same exact thing happens if I paste into LibreOffice.

So, a couple of extra questions:
a) when you copy LyX text, is there any way to get (also?) the exported HTML into the clipboard ?
b) would we need a special "copy as HTML" for that?

I personally understand the value of being able to seamlessly copy and paste between LyX, Thunderbird and LibreOffice, at least for basic rich text capabilities.

Thanks,

T.

[Tommaso Cucinotta]

Just a tiny addition: when you re-write with LibreOffice the same exact text segment, with a few boldface and emphasized and bullet and numbered lists, and copy that to Thunderbird with C-c, C-v, it just works as expected. I also just tried a table, and it's copied just OK in Thunderbird, but if you paste it into LyX, hmmm...

So, AFAICS, LyX seems to be behind other tools in this regard (copy'n'paste interoperability).

T.

Post by Tommaso Cucinotta

Post by Abdelrazak Younes
1) write in LyX
2) select and copy
3) paste as html in Thunderbird.
Maybe this is already possible.

1) boldface and emphasized font variations do not get copied at all (text gets copied as normal plain text only)
2) bullet points and numbered lists *seem* to be copied correctly, but soon you realize that the bullet point is actually a bullet char, and the numbers in the numbered list are actually numbers in the text, namely, thunderbird doesn't understand it's actually editing lists in those cases
3) I get an extra carriage-return between any paragraphs, causing an extra empty line being inserted between any two LyX paragraphs -- is that only me ?
And the same exact thing happens if I paste into LibreOffice.
a) when you copy LyX text, is there any way to get (also?) the exported HTML into the clipboard ?
b) would we need a special "copy as HTML" for that?
I personally understand the value of being able to seamlessly copy and paste between LyX, Thunderbird and LibreOffice, at least for basic rich text capabilities.
Thanks,
T.

[Georg Baum]

Post by Tommaso Cucinotta
a) when you copy LyX text, is there any way to get (also?) the exported
HTML into the clipboard ? b) would we need a special "copy as HTML" for
that?

If you copy something, it is put onto the clipboard in three formats: plain
text, HTML (using the HTML export) and LyX since version 2.1. The pasting
application is then supposed to select the most appropriate format. In your
case something goes wrong either on LyX side or on the other side. If you
start LyX with -dbg action it should tell you what it does.

Post by Tommaso Cucinotta
I personally understand the value of being able to seamlessly copy and
paste between LyX, Thunderbird and LibreOffice, at least for basic rich
text capabilities.

Indeed. Therefore I worked on that last year.


Georg

[Tommaso Cucinotta]

If you copy something, it is put onto the clipboard in three formats: plain text, HTML (using the HTML export) and LyX since version 2.1. The pasting application is then supposed to select the most appropriate format. In your case something goes wrong either on LyX side or on the other side. If you start LyX with -dbg action it should tell you what it does.

Cool! In my case, I was simply trying with the system LyX from Ubuntu (2.0.6), but I just tried with trunk, and it worked perfectly indeed, including tables AND maths! I'm actually impressed by the maths working visually when copied from LyX, how is that done? I don't think there's a way one can enter maths natively in Thunderbird, is there?

Thanks,

T.

[Georg Baum]

Post by Tommaso Cucinotta
Cool! In my case, I was simply trying with the system LyX from Ubuntu
(2.0.6), but I just tried with trunk, and it worked perfectly indeed,
including tables AND maths! I'm actually impressed by the maths working
visually when copied from LyX, how is that done? I don't think there's a
way one can enter maths natively in Thunderbird, is there?

LyX exports formulas as MathML. Obviously Thunderbird can render that, but I
don't know whether you can also enter it interactively. IMHO, this is not
important, you can just use LyX to enter math in thunderbird;-)


Georg

[Abdelrazak Younes]

Post by Tommaso Cucinotta

If you copy something, it is put onto the clipboard in three formats: plain text, HTML (using the HTML export) and LyX since version 2.1. The pasting application is then supposed to select the most appropriate format. In your case something goes wrong either on LyX side or on the other side. If you start LyX with -dbg action it should tell you what it does.

Cool! In my case, I was simply trying with the system LyX from Ubuntu (2.0.6), but I just tried with trunk, and it worked perfectly indeed, including tables AND maths! I'm actually impressed by the maths working visually when copied from LyX, how is that done? I don't think there's a way one can enter maths natively in Thunderbird, is there?

Sound really cool indeed, I will try :-)

Abdel

[Pavel Sanda]

Post by Kornel Benko
C'mon, its not so bad.

Which is little bit far away from "aesthetically stunning documents", right? :)
Anyway as pointed out by JMarc we should try to be good at one thing and let
emails client to do their own.

Pavel

[Kornel Benko]

Post by Pavel Sanda

Post by Kornel Benko
C'mon, its not so bad.

Which is little bit far away from "aesthetically stunning documents", right? :)

It depends. But I understand the point.

Post by Pavel Sanda
Anyway as pointed out by JMarc we should try to be good at one thing and let
emails client to do their own.

The question remains: why do we than offer that many export possibilities?
(This is not meant seriously)

Post by Pavel Sanda
Pavel

Kornel

[Enrico Forestieri]

Post by Kornel Benko

Post by Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

Post by Kornel Benko
Hmm, we produce also .html, don't we? And this could be sent per e-mail.
I am not saying, that it will be easy to implement. But it may be possible.

What is so beautiful about the typography of the .html files we export,
though?

C'mon, its not so bad. For a mail it should be OK.

Html is inappropriate for email
http://www.avernus.com/~gadams/essays/20020418-html-mail.html

[Kornel Benko]

Post by Enrico Forestieri

Post by Kornel Benko

Post by Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

Post by Kornel Benko
Hmm, we produce also .html, don't we? And this could be sent per e-mail.
I am not saying, that it will be easy to implement. But it may be possible.

What is so beautiful about the typography of the .html files we export,
though?

C'mon, its not so bad. For a mail it should be OK.

Html is inappropriate for email
http://www.avernus.com/~gadams/essays/20020418-html-mail.html

This is convincing. So the format for email (if ever implemented by lyx) may be Enriched text.

Kornel

[Pavel Sanda]

Post by Kornel Benko

Post by Enrico Forestieri
Html is inappropriate for email
http://www.avernus.com/~gadams/essays/20020418-html-mail.html

This is convincing. So the format for email (if ever implemented by lyx) may be Enriched text.

Hehe, so time to drop html part of your emails to this list ;)
P

[Kornel Benko]

Post by Pavel Sanda

Post by Kornel Benko

Post by Enrico Forestieri
Html is inappropriate for email
http://www.avernus.com/~gadams/essays/20020418-html-mail.html

This is convincing. So the format for email (if ever implemented by lyx) may be Enriched text.

Hehe, so time to drop html part of your emails to this list ;)
P

I was not even aware of the html part. Cannot see, how to disable it from inside kmail.

Kornel

[Kornel Benko]

Post by Kornel Benko

Post by Pavel Sanda

Post by Kornel Benko

Post by Enrico Forestieri
Html is inappropriate for email
http://www.avernus.com/~gadams/essays/20020418-html-mail.html

This is convincing. So the format for email (if ever implemented by lyx) may be Enriched text.

Hehe, so time to drop html part of your emails to this list ;)
P

I was not even aware of the html part. Cannot see, how to disable it from inside kmail.
Kornel

I think, I found it. Test only.

Kornel

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Post by Kornel Benko

Post by Kornel Benko
I was not even aware of the html part. Cannot see, how to disable it from inside kmail.

I think, I found it. Test only.

Oooh Kornel, I will miss your messages that used to appear as ugly
typewriter font things :)

It is much better now.

JMarc

[Kornel Benko]

Post by Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

Post by Kornel Benko

Post by Kornel Benko
I was not even aware of the html part. Cannot see, how to disable it from inside kmail.

I think, I found it. Test only.

Oooh Kornel, I will miss your messages that used to appear as ugly
typewriter font things :)

This troubles me. Should I again start with html :) ?

Post by Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
It is much better now.
JMarc

Kornel

[Abdelrazak Younes]

Post by Kornel Benko

Post by Kornel Benko

Post by Pavel Sanda

Post by Kornel Benko

Post by Enrico Forestieri
Html is inappropriate for email
http://www.avernus.com/~gadams/essays/20020418-html-mail.html

This is convincing. So the format for email (if ever implemented by lyx) may be Enriched text.

Hehe, so time to drop html part of your emails to this list ;)
P

I was not even aware of the html part. Cannot see, how to disable it from inside kmail.
Kornel

I think, I found it. Test only.

Waoouh! It's a relief Kornel!

:-)

Abdel.

[Pavel Sanda]

Post by Kornel Benko

Post by Pavel Sanda
Hehe, so time to drop html part of your emails to this list ;)
P

I was not even aware of the html part. Cannot see, how to disable it from inside kmail.

Not a problem, was just joking. What would be actually nice is if you could strip
from time to time unrelevant part of email exchanges you reply to ;)

Pavel

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Post by Pavel Sanda
Not a problem, was just joking. What would be actually nice is if you could strip
from time to time unrelevant part of email exchanges you reply to ;)

We have a problem with gmail users these days. Since gmail hides these
long replies by default, people just let them in their messages... Maybe
kmail has the same feature.

JMarc

[Kornel Benko]

Post by Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

Post by Pavel Sanda
Not a problem, was just joking. What would be actually nice is if you could strip
from time to time unrelevant part of email exchanges you reply to ;)

We have a problem with gmail users these days. Since gmail hides these
long replies by default, people just let them in their messages... Maybe
kmail has the same feature.
JMarc

Most of the time I *am* stripping. At least I think so.
For answer to a short mail like this one, this seems unneeded.

Kornel

[Pavel Sanda]

Post by Pavel Sanda
Not a problem, was just joking. What would be actually nice is if you could strip
from time to time unrelevant part of email exchanges you reply to ;)

We have a problem with gmail users these days. Since gmail hides these long
replies by default, people just let them in their messages... Maybe kmail
has the same feature.

We are indeed progressing to better future. Major email provider in cz recently
decided that using ">" in replies become obsolete and all replies start with
just double quote it the very beginning and end of message making it impossible
to normally reply. Either you have to edit the whole message yourself so it's
clear what you reply to or you have to top post.

Maybe we should make another quantum leap and start using just pdf in our emails
as proposed in the very beginning of this thread :)

Pavel

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

We have a problem with gmail users these days. Since gmail hides these long
replies by default, people just let them in their messages... Maybe kmail
has the same feature.

Another problem is that some mailing lists require/encourage "quote
prior messages in entirety" (e.g.
http://www.r-project.org/posting-guide.html) in case the message is
referenced in isolation from the thread. That is why I used to quote a
lot of unnecessary parts. Only recently did I see "Quoting irrelevant
parts of the previous mail in your reply" on
"http://www.lyx.org/MailingLists#toc7"

Scott

[Pavel Sanda]

Post by Scott Kostyshak
Another problem is that some mailing lists require/encourage "quote
prior messages in entirety" (e.g.

It makes any longer exchange unreadable. I remember to delete few whole threads
past few months without reading on this list because people were either lazy or
not willing to quote only relevant parts, it's somewhat annoying to scroll several
screens just to find one sentence answer or similar; if it goes mail after
mail you just delete the whole thing :)

When involved in the exchange I usually care to strip it no matter what the
other party does, but anyway it's not nice to let other people do your work...

Pavel

[Scott Kostyshak]

Post by Pavel Sanda

Post by Scott Kostyshak
Another problem is that some mailing lists require/encourage "quote
prior messages in entirety" (e.g.

It makes any longer exchange unreadable.

Agreed.

Post by Pavel Sanda
When involved in the exchange I usually care to strip it no matter what the
other party does, but anyway it's not nice to let other people do your work...

My point is that I think many do it out of ignorance, not laziness. At
least that was the case for me. I wish someone had told me sooner. In
the end it is my fault for not having remembered the list netiquette.

Scott

[Rainer M Krug]

Post by Scott Kostyshak

Post by Pavel Sanda

Post by Scott Kostyshak
Another problem is that some mailing lists require/encourage "quote
prior messages in entirety" (e.g.

It makes any longer exchange unreadable.

Agreed.

Post by Pavel Sanda
When involved in the exchange I usually care to strip it no matter what the
other party does, but anyway it's not nice to let other people do your work...

My point is that I think many do it out of ignorance, not laziness. At
least that was the case for me. I wish someone had told me sooner. In
the end it is my fault for not having remembered the list netiquette.

Gmail has folding, Thunderbird has folding, GNUS has folding, and I
assume most email clients have folding / hiding of quotes.

As stated, some mailing lists wish to have the whole thread, to make
reading a reply separately possible.

Snipping of sections I do not reply to is OK, but selectively snipping
out of sections I reply to make it possible to change the original
meaning.

So I think no snipping is not a major problem.

Rainer

Post by Scott Kostyshak
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[Scott Kostyshak]

Post by Rainer M Krug
Gmail has folding, Thunderbird has folding, GNUS has folding, and I
assume most email clients have folding / hiding of quotes.
As stated, some mailing lists wish to have the whole thread, to make
reading a reply separately possible.
Snipping of sections I do not reply to is OK, but selectively snipping
out of sections I reply to make it possible to change the original
meaning.

Agreed. There is a tradeoff. By keeping the whole conversation you do
not take things out of context. But you make it more difficult to
quickly get the main point. It is subjective what is "out of context"
but I have actually never seen an argument because of this on the
mailing lists I participate in.

Post by Rainer M Krug
So I think no snipping is not a major problem.

Well, some people view it as a problem and because it is listed on the
List Netiquette (http://www.lyx.org/MailingLists#toc7) in my opinion
we should follow it, or argue to change the Netiquette. I actually
like the rule as it is; I just didn't follow it because I thought the
opposite was the encouraged behavior.

Scott

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

Post by Scott Kostyshak

Post by Rainer M Krug
So I think no snipping is not a major problem.

Well, some people view it as a problem and because it is listed on the
List Netiquette (http://www.lyx.org/MailingLists#toc7) in my opinion
we should follow it, or argue to change the Netiquette. I actually
like the rule as it is; I just didn't follow it because I thought the
opposite was the encouraged behavior.
Scott

Does the netiquette say something about hijacking a thread to discuss a
non-related subject ?

Vincent

[Scott Kostyshak]

Post by Vincent van Ravesteijn
Does the netiquette say something about hijacking a thread to discuss a
non-related subject ?

Good point.

Scott

[Pavel Sanda]

Post by Rainer M Krug
Gmail has folding, Thunderbird has folding, GNUS has folding, and I
assume most email clients have folding / hiding of quotes.

Well, there exists world beyond gmail and thunderbird and this world
still produces reasonable traffic on this list.

But I agree that until delete-thread function is removed from my
email client it is not a major problem for me :)

Pavel

[Sean Burke]

You might be right, but I think that ship has already sailed.

--
Sean Patrick Burke

Post by Enrico Forestieri

Post by Kornel Benko

Post by Jean-Marc Lasgouttes

Post by Kornel Benko
Hmm, we produce also .html, don't we? And this could be sent per e-mail.
I am not saying, that it will be easy to implement. But it may be possible.

What is so beautiful about the typography of the .html files we export,
though?

C'mon, its not so bad. For a mail it should be OK.

Html is inappropriate for email
http://www.avernus.com/~gadams/essays/20020418-html-mail.html
--
Enrico

[Enrico Forestieri]

Post by Sean Burke
You might be right, but I think that ship has already sailed.

Yes, you cannot stop progress, apparently ;)

[Sean Burke]

Post by Enrico Forestieri

Post by Sean Burke
You might be right, but I think that ship has already sailed.

Yes, you cannot stop progress, apparently ;)
--
Enrico

Ha ha ha. I can practically hear the air quotes. :)